Friday, November 24, 2006

President-elect of Christian Coalition resigns


The Christian Coalition is losing its president before he even takes over, the Associated Press reports.

Rev. Joel Hunter, of Longwood's Northland, A Church Distributed, wanted to shift the focus of the national group that was founded in the late 80s by Rev. Jerry Falwell from abortion and gay marriage to the beatitudes of the Sermon on the Mount.

Hunter, who was scheduled to take over the socially conservative political group Jan. 1, said he had hoped to focus on issues such as poverty and the environment.

"These are issues that Jesus would want us to care about," Hunter said.

Oh my, such daring heresy, the brazen heathen!

The Christian Coalition admitted to the media that Hunter resigned because of "differences in philosophy and vision." And apparently, everyone was happy to see Hunter go. His resignation was "unanimously" accepted by the board.
"To tell you the truth, I feel like there are literally millions of evangelical Christians that don't have a home right now," Hunter said.
Amen, Brother Hunter, Howling Latina knows exactly what you mean.

Hmmm, just where would Jesus be allowed to preach and worship today. especially since there's not one word in the Bible from his lips about same-sex marriage or abortion but lots and lots about feeding the poor and taking care of his sheep?!?

Comments:
You, HL obviously did not read my comments about Jesus being the one who gave the Torah, which condemns any type of sexual immorality. And yes the Torah does define what sexual immorality is. If you really were a believer you surely have read Jesus' words when he said,

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31,32

His word is the Torah. The Books of the Torah contain his Commandments. He also said,

"If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:15-26

This is echoed in Peter's sermon.

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them THAT OBEY HIM" Acts 5:29-32

What Jesus and Peter here are saying is that to really BELIEVE causes one to OBEY. OBEY WHAT? The Torah. The Moral Instructions.

This includes keeping sexual purity.

The question here is... Do you really belive what Jesus said?

Love for God results learning his commandments which results in obeying his commandments which results in receiving his Spirit which results in regeneration....

This is the process. This is Salvation. Bypassing any part of this process stops the process...
 
His word is the Torah, hmmm, that's not how I interpret it.

His words are the words he speaks in the New Testament.

Heck, every person Jesus spoke to at the time was Jewish, so you saying that his word is the Torah seems a bit of a stretch.

The Torah allowed for divorce, Jesus did not.

The Torah allowed for people to be stoned, Jesus did not.

There are upteen examples.

So...no, I do not agree the Torah is the Word of Jesus.

It may be the Word of God before Jesus came redeem the world from the law (i.e. The Torah).
 
1)His word is the Torah, hmmm, that's not how I interpret it.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:17-20

Words of Jesus... Notice the contrast between the words 'destroy' and 'fulfill'. They are opposed. Jesus did not come to redeem the world from the law. Also the word 'fulfil' means to magnify.

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law (Hebrew 'TORAH'), and make it honourable. Isaiah 42:21


2)He was the one in the burning bush. He was the Messenger of the Lord. Read my other posts. If this was the Father in the bush then who sent him. The hebrew word 'Malach' or angel means one that is sent by another, it also means 'deputy.' Nobody sends the Father anywhere. Moses said he spoke face to face with God. The Father is Spirit.

3)Read my other posts. There is one Torah for the Jes and the Gentile.

4)Jesus allowed for divorce.

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, SAVING (EXCEPT FOR) for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

5) And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

The proper interpretation throughout the Torah is that both parties had to be tried by the elders. Here in the story you reference only one of the parties is brought to Jesus. It is probably that this was a situation where one of the Rabbis was used as the second party. Jesus wrote in the sand. He was probably writing that he knew what they hed done to try to get him to interpret the Torah incorrectly. If he would have said to stone her without a fair trial this was also a violation of Torah. Beside that, Stoning at the time was not allowed because of the occupation of the Romans.

6) Where are the upteen examples?

7) God doesn't care what you think. He has made himself plain.

8) Read the Old Testament. The Word of the Lord and the Law are used interchangably. As in Psalms 119. The entire Psalm is about the Torah.
 
I'm in the throes of writing two graduate papers. We'll revisit this topic when I'm done:)
 
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